By the Numbers: Comparing Jagr to Gretzky, Messier, Howe

With an assist Thursday, Florida Panthers forward Jaromir Jagr reached another incredible milestone, tying Gordie Howe for third on the NHL's all-time scoring list with 1,850 career points.

Jagr reached point No. 1,850 in fewer games than both Howe and Messier - No. 2 all-time - but like both, reached the milestone past age 40. The No. 1 player is a completely different story - as Wayne Gretzky caught Mr. Hockey at age 28 in 1989.

Reaching 1,850 points

Player Age Games Seasons
Gretzky 28 780 11
Jagr 44 1611 22
Messier 42 1691 25
Howe 51 1767 26

While Gretzky, in most cases, remains an outlier - the longevity of the other three players' careers is one of the biggest factors in their scoring success. Despite all having long careers, the oldest all four players finished an NHL season at the same age was at 36. Although Gretzky clearly outpaced the others during his 20s, it's striking how all four produced at a similar pace later in their careers.

Age 36 season

Player Year GP G A P
Howe 1963-64 69 26 47 73
Gretzky 1996-97 82 25 72 97
Messier 1996-97 71 36 48 84
Jagr 2007-08 82 24 46 71

Howe may be most famous for playing at an advanced age, retiring at age 51, but that came after a nine-year absence from the NHL. He retired from the Detroit Red Wings in 1971, but signed in the WHA in 1973, and went on to rack up 508 points over six seasons while playing with sons Mark and Marty.

It's hard to say how many more points a healthy Howe would've added in another nine seasons, but you can ask a similar question about Jagr. He missed prime-production years due to three separate lockouts during his career, and took a three-year stint in the KHL from 2008 to 2011.

Taking retirement seasons out of the equation, it's hard to equate the impact of the production lost by NHL games missed due to work stoppages and/or playing in rival leagues for all four legendary forwards.

Player Potential Games Missed
Howe 478 (WHA -1973-79)
Jagr 396 (KHL - 2008-11; Lockouts - 1994/2004-05/2012)
Messier 114* (WHA - 1978-79; Lockout - 1994)
Gretzky 114 (WHA - 1978-79; Lockout - 1994)

* - Messier announced retirement following 2004-05 lockout, but was believed to be retiring after 2003-04 season.

But enough about the past, the question now becomes how high Jagr's totals can climb. The Czech Republic native has repeatedly stated he doesn't want to retire, and even if he's only half as productive next season, he would still likely catch Messier's mark of 1,887 points.

Projections based on points per game

Season PPG Proj. Pts Career Total
2015-16 .787 62 1864
2016-17 .394 32 1896

With or without a sharp decline, becoming just the second player to reach the 1,900-point mark seems incredibly realistic for the winger, barring injury. If Howe could rack up multiple, 100-point seasons in the WHA in his late 40s, would a few more 50-point campaigns out of Jagr be that far-fetched?

We'll have to wait and see.

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Canucks blow another lead after 40 as home struggles continue

If NHL games were 40 minutes long, the Vancouver Canucks would be one of the best teams in the league.

Vancouver blew a 2-0 lead Thursday night, and a 2-1 lead after 40 minutes, losing their third straight game, a 3-2 decision to the San Jose Sharks. The Canucks have now lost 11 games when leading after two periods, according to The Province and Canucks Army's Jeff Paterson.

And Vancouver's home struggles continue in a big way:

Vancouver's 11 home wins are better than only the Toronto Maple Leafs' nine. Not good. And, once again, the Canucks couldn't muster much offense. They scored two or fewer for the third straight game, and have two goals or fewer in seven of their past nine games. It's bleak:

With 60 points in 63 games, the Canucks are only four points out of the Western Conference basement.

Meanwhile, goaltender Ryan Miller, obviously frustrated with a lack of support, was furious after the game because he believed Sharks forward Tomas Hertl's goal in the second period, which got San Jose on the board, was deflected with a high stick.

With the Minnesota Wild picking up two points Thursday in Toronto, the Canucks are now 10 points back in the wild-card race. It's possible, but becoming more unlikely by the day.

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VIDEO: King drops Subban, then Scrivens with fake before scoring

The Montreal Canadiens' season, captured in one goal.

Everything was looking good, P.K. Subban had the puck at center ice. He inexplicably lost his footing - it happens - and saw Los Angeles Kings forward Dwight King poke the puck past him, through his legs.

King had a partial breakaway, Alex Galchenyuk racing off the bench to try and cut him off. King beautifully faked a slap shot, getting Canadiens goalie Ben Scrivens to his knees, and then went five-hole to score.

It was the game-winning goal. Of course. The Kings won 3-2.

Subban had a goal and an assist and played a game-high 28:48. But nobody will be talking about that.

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VIDEO: Domi loses it, jumps Garbutt after hit on Ekman-Larsson

Max Domi took a page out of his father Tie's playbook Thursday night.

With the Arizona Coyotes on their way to a seventh straight loss, Anaheim Ducks forward Ryan Garbutt laid out Oliver Ekman-Larsson with what looked to be a clean hit near the Ducks' blue line. Down 5-1 with less than three minutes to play, the hit set off Anthony Duclair and Domi. Especially Domi.

Duclair gave Garbutt a solid two-handed slash before Domi jumped him, even throwing a few punches when the two were on the ice.

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